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 on: May 25, 2013, 01:43:59 pm 
Started by Asplan Viak - Last post by iToo

All in all I must say I'm pretty happy with the new RC, but there are a few issues that are either not working properly, or I obviously cant grasp.

Hello, thanks for using our software and for your suggestions.

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The style editor desperately needs to be able to copy\paste between RC objects, and to be saved as presets.

Agreed. Both features are already in the wishlist.

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Style editor needs to behave like the rest of max (and windows) in regards to right-click-canceling, resetting spinners by right clicking, and having the option to minimise the window, and not having it sit on top of any other open window in windows (trying to read something on the net while the style editor is open and covering it).

The style editor runs a separate application from Max, and unfortunately this is the only way to keep it stayed on top of the Max window. If not, some operations will not work properly (as picking objects).

About the spinners, we had to implement manually the Max behaviour, but most of features should work in a similar way, including resetting by right clicking. What parameter exactly doesn't reset ? We will check it.

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Is there a reason the style editor is not using the slate material editors interface (with all it's functionality)? Was there some issues preventing it from being used?

Yes, there is a good reason: the slate manager is for internal use only, the interface is not published for third party plugins. Therefore, each plugin developer must write its own node manager. Probably Autodesk will make the slate manager public at some time, but only for new Max releases, not for previous versions.

Initialy, we tried to link our style editor with Max, but we found critical problems because incompatibilities with the libraries we use. Basically, Max uses the same libraries, but different versions for each Max release. A real pain... because this, we implemented the editor in its current way.

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I often sit at home working as my own computer is a lot faster than my workstation at work. I use Cisco's AnyConnect to establish a VPN connection, and retrieve all my licenses through it (Max & VRay). This works flawlessly, but RC (running as floating license also), often suddenly tells me it can't find a license after using it for x amount of time, and subsequently either crashes Max, or makes Max hang indefinitely. This is a real show stopper

It's strange because this error seems related with the style editor link, not with the license. Does it fail only when the style editor is open ?

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Some times I notice that editing geometry that is already used in my RC objects, doesn't update properly.

This would happen with some specific operations, specially converting the geometry to editable mesh/poly. The reason is that Max creates internally a new object, breaking the existing references. This is a Max limitation, for example the Boolean compound object has the same problem (when using instanced references).

As you pointed out, the workaround is clicking the "Reload Segments" button in the style editor.

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The compose node is very confusing. I often want to assemble my parts from its sub parts to maximise the amount of reused geometry, but the compose node seems to think that all objects have to be beside each other

Well, really the Compose operator was designed to work in this way. Instead modifying it, i think would be better to provide suports for groups in Segments. We will think on it.

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In general, I am having a hard time getting the Array2s to do what I want it to, and get strange spacings on my parts where there should be none. Maybe some more lib presets made like templates so one can modify the existing temp parts and use ones own?

Did you get the spacing in the X or Y axis ? This may happen when using segments with different Y sizes in a same row. RailClone adjusts the Y size of the row to the largest segment (on Y). Please, post a screenshot or scene to see what is the problem exactly.

On the other side, we are working hard to offer additional RailClone tutorials, to explain this and other features. We will also publish many tips and tricks in the RailClone blog

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Random transformations break segments apart. It would be useful if one could randomly "jitter" segments while still keeping the mesh-continuity to make thinks a little more "rough" (I.e a large curtain wall of glass and steel, where each glass pane is ever so slightly rotated to break up the otherwise mathematically perfect reflections.

Please post a screenshot or scene. It should work fine now... also be sure that "Segment->Random Transform->Transform affects Size" is on.

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Make RC read map types like Bercon gradient (for it's random function), and multitex map, or even make your own that does the same, so we can have randomised maps is a more streamlined manner. Making material-clones and using mat-id functionality is quite cumbersome compared to these 2 mentioned.

I should make some tests about it. I will post later.


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 on: May 25, 2013, 10:08:39 am 
Started by Asplan Viak - Last post by Asplan Viak
All in all I must say I'm pretty happy with the new RC, but there are a few issues that are either not working properly, or I obviously cant grasp.

  • The style editor desperately needs to be able to copy\paste between RC objects, and to be saved as presets.
  • Style editor needs to behave like the rest of max (and windows) in regards to right-click-canceling, resetting spinners by right clicking, and having the option to minimise the window, and not having it sit on top of any other open window in windows (trying to read something on the net while the style editor is open and covering it).
  • Is there a reason the style editor is not using the slate material editors interface (with all it's functionality)? Was there some issues preventing it from being used?
  • I often sit at home working as my own computer is a lot faster than my workstation at work. I use Cisco's AnyConnect to establish a VPN connection, and retrieve all my licenses through it (Max & VRay). This works flawlessly, but RC (running as floating license also), often suddenly tells me it can't find a license after using it for x amount of time, and subsequently either crashes Max, or makes Max hang indefinitely. This is a real show stopper
  • Some times I notice that editing geometry that is already used in my RC objects, doesn't update properly. I can select vertices on one of my parts, move them, and the viewport only shows the vertices being moved, but the faces stay where they were. I then have to manually reload the parts in the RC editor, or sometimes even do a reset-xform on the part in question.
  • The compose node is very confusing. I often want to assemble my parts from its sub parts to maximise the amount of reused geometry, but the compose node seems to think that all objects have to be beside each other, and not intersecting or otherwise following their pivot placements (think of assembling a window set with variations of curtains and blinds for each window. I tried adjusting the padding and fixed placement of the segments feeding into the compose node, but can not get this to work. I have to manually create copies of each window with the varied details attached into the object, resulting in huge amounts of extra geometry, or resulting in me making something not as "fancy" as I would like. Could we maybe get it to let us position objects as if they were a group, and let that group have its own padding parameters so the segments can be reused regardless?
  • In general, I am having a hard time getting the Array2s to do what I want it to, and get strange spacings on my parts where there should be none. Maybe some more lib presets made like templates so one can modify the existing temp parts and use ones own?
  • Random transformations break segments apart. It would be useful if one could randomly "jitter" segments while still keeping the mesh-continuity to make thinks a little more "rough" (I.e a large curtain wall of glass and steel, where each glass pane is ever so slightly rotated to break up the otherwise mathematically perfect reflections.
  • Make RC read map types like Bercon gradient (for it's random function), and multitex map, or even make your own that does the same, so we can have randomised maps is a more streamlined manner. Making material-clones and using mat-id functionality is quite cumbersome compared to these 2 mentioned.

Hopefully some of these issues are fixable\doable. Please pardon me for listing things that might have been mentioned in other threads or topics.

Edit: This is the error message I keep getting from the Itoo license manager.
Caller ID: 8
Error code: 30
Error message: Client read operation timed out (no response from peer).
Subsystem: 0
Subsystem name: No sub system.
Subsystem error: 0


CME

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 on: May 25, 2013, 03:25:45 am 
Started by lukx - Last post by iToo

Currently it is not possible to copy/paste between several RC objects, which should be the ideal procedure. We are working on this, anyway.

In this case you would create a separate truss object, export its Segments to objects (from the Style Editor, select each Segment and click "Extract" in the toolbar), and assign them to your RailClone.


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 on: May 25, 2013, 03:18:11 am 
Started by Panibor - Last post by iToo

Please, send us a test scene. I'm testing Array 2S here, but i cannot reproduce the problem.


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 on: May 25, 2013, 03:10:56 am 
Started by 4+Arquitectos, Lda - Last post by iToo

We are checking this issue. Please, hold on.


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 on: May 24, 2013, 10:43:49 am 
Started by Panibor - Last post by Panibor
I'm messing around with Array 2S for a while and I noticed that you can't set up material IDs for your segments.
Whenever you create a segment, convert it to Poly and then apply an ID for it (for example - 1), Railclone mixs up everything and might display the segment as Material ID 5,4,3 and 6.

Help! Huh

p.s
using 3ds max design 2011

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 on: May 24, 2013, 08:21:33 am 
Started by lukx - Last post by lukx
Let's say I want to add some truss from style library to style editor as new segment. Is there easy way to do it?

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 on: May 24, 2013, 06:32:12 am 
Started by 4+Arquitectos, Lda - Last post by 4+Arquitectos, Lda
Hi,
It seems that when autosave happens in "big" files. RailClone Style editor crashes and after that max freezes. This happens in max 2014 windows 8.

Best regards,
Daniel Santana

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 on: May 23, 2013, 08:53:14 pm 
Started by joycg - Last post by joycg
Farnsworth-House personal work
3dsmax + Forest pack + ps


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 on: May 23, 2013, 09:09:12 am 
Started by harumscarum - Last post by iToo

I'm glad the problem is solved.

If that helps, RailClone doesn't modify in any way the zoom behaviour, but the Style Editor runs a separate application from Max. Please be sure it is not selected when interactating with the viewport.


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